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andrei
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| 02-05-2005 11:45:54 |
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weeping eye
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Am vizitat pagina si m-a innebunit. Expilca-mi te rog ce intelegi prin copiere gresita!
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| 05-05-2005 18:53:02 |
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andrei
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Modelul original arata inca bine, dar aia de la Roman erau probabil betzi cand au proiectat modelul romanesc.
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| 06-05-2005 00:54:47 |
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ManAndCat
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| 25-07-2005 21:33:53 |
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Dr2005
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SUperbe pozele de la polonezi, dar mai ales troleele respective. Pacat ca nu mai circula Nici macar nu s-a pastrat vreunul pt. amintire. Nu stiu cand s-au scos, ca eu n-am vazut niciodata vreunul.
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| 26-07-2005 00:58:44 |
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Dr2005
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Ma referam la trolee si autobuze.
Il avem acolo si pe V3A 025 cu vreo 25 de ani inainte de a fi modernizat si a ajunge pe linia 41.
Vagoane tip ITB si o parte din Ep n-am vazut deci s-au scos de multi ani.
Stie cinea cand?
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| 26-07-2005 01:07:26 |
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The_Kid
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Retro 
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| 26-07-2005 02:52:25 |
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ManAndCat
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Dr2005 a scris:
Ma referam la trolee si autobuze.
Il avem acolo si pe V3A 025 cu vreo 25 de ani inainte de a fi modernizat si a ajunge pe linia 41.
Vagoane tip ITB si o parte din Ep n-am vazut deci s-au scos de multi ani.
Stie cinea cand? |
ITB si EP'urile au disparut la inceputul anilor 80. O parte din EP'uri au fost modernizate incepand cu 1976 si au ramas in circulatie pana in 2000. Aveau echipament de V3A si se numeau EP/V3A si unele remorci V12/V3A.
Vagoane motor EP/V3A: 6001-6172
Remorci EP/V3A: 6201-6280
Remorci V12/V3A: 6281-6372
Mai tarziu s'au amestecat numerele la remorci.
Dupa '80, ITB'urile V56 au mai existat ca vagoane de serviciu pana prin '99 si aveau numerele: 119,151,152,154,156,157,160,166,246,253,267,280,328,337,348,397,400,434,446,448,449,464,466,474?,484 si 494 (si altele).
Vagonul 119 ex 246 se afla la uzina RATB pentru restaurare.
Troleibuze TV2E (40xx-457x) si TV20E (457x-...) am vazut ultima data in '80.
In '85 nu mai existau.
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| 26-07-2005 09:03:05 |
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Dr2005
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Multumesc.
In 85 nu existam...
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| 26-07-2005 19:51:31 |
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abagc
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Pt. ManAndCat:
I have looked at my photos and it seems, that V12/V3A were exactly from 6281.
As Norman Griffiths wrote in Light Rail and Modern Tramway October 1994, one EP/V3A was rebuilt "back" for a film. There is a photo, but I have a bad xerox copy, not suitable for scanning. An "EP" has the number 761 (!!!), looks similar but not identical to EP and is in Victoria depot.
In Trolleybus Magazine from 1980 (?) there is written, last TV2E was 4581 and first TV20E 4582.
But:
6371 seems to be not V12/V3A, but EP/V3A!
(photo Joachim Kaddatz, August 1988)
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| 02-08-2005 17:24:50 |
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abagc
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And:
In 1982 there was 6152 (!!!) V12/V3A.
My theory is, it could be a prototype, probably rebuilt from V12 2152.
Am I correct?
(photo Michal Martinek, 1982)
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| 02-08-2005 17:34:31 |
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abagc
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Pt. ManAndCat:
I have looked at my photos and it seems, that V12/V3A were exactly from 6281.
As Norman Griffiths wrote in Light Rail and Modern Tramway October 1994, one EP/V3A was rebuilt "back" for a film. There is a photo, but I have a bad xerox copy, not suitable for scanning. An "EP" has the number 761 (!!!), looks similar but not identical to EP and is in Victoria depot.
In Trolleybus Magazine from 1980 (?) there is written, last TV2E was 4581 and first TV20E 4582.
But:
6371 seems to be not V12/V3A, but EP/V3A!
(photo Joachim Kaddatz, August 1988)
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| 02-08-2005 17:38:02 |
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ManAndCat
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abagc a scris:
As Norman Griffiths wrote in Light Rail and Modern Tramway October 1994, one EP/V3A was rebuilt "back" for a film. There is a photo, but I have a bad xerox copy, not suitable for scanning. An "EP" has the number 761 (!!!), looks similar but not identical to EP and is in Victoria depot. |
They did't probably care of numbers, as the tram was rebuilt for a film.
EP trams had the following numbers:
3001-3037 (original model, called V51)
3037 was sent to Electroputere as model. I don't know that it ever returned to Bucharest.
3038-326x (EP=ElectroPutere)
abagc a scris:
In Trolleybus Magazine from 1980 (?) there is written, last TV2E was 4581 and first TV20E 4582. |
That's a very good information. As ITB/RATB does not easily share these information, I had to get it from the vehicles on the streets. Unfortunately I was too young in '80.
abagc a scris:
But:
6371 seems to be not V12/V3A, but EP/V3A!
(photo Joachim Kaddatz, August 1988) |
That photo seems to be made before 1987. That's the 1'st time I saw 6371 and was V12. It should have been V12 before too, but it's possible to have been renumbered for unknown reasons.
abagc a scris:
And:
In 1982 there was 6152 (!!!) V12/V3A.
My theory is, it could be a prototype, probably rebuilt from V12 2152.
Am I correct?
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Since 1985 I know EP- and V12-V3A have numbers from 6201 to 6372. This number is very strange indeed. I don't know if the conversion was like:
new number = old number + 4000.
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| 04-08-2005 09:56:44 |
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andrei
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Fratilor, sa stiti ca eu am ublat cu TV20E ! Aveam cam 3 - 4 ani (am aterizat in decembrie 1967...) si mergeam cu mama, din Titan spre Opera. A inceput sa iasa fum alb de undeva, din josul partii drepte a troleibuzului. Taxatoarea a spus ca nu-i nimica grav, doar o problema la compresor (?), vehicolul s-a oprit, toti calatorii au coborit si basta.
Sigur ca am luat si TV2E, am ceva amintiri dar din pacate, imaginile sint din interiorul troleibuzului...
Andrei
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| 04-08-2005 10:13:01 |
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ManAndCat
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Nu imi amintesc interiorul la TV2(0)E'uri. Imi amintesc ca mai vedeam cate unul pe care scria "Scoala". TV2E aveau o scarita in spate. Eu le numeam "troleibuze cu scara".
TV20E am vazut multe si in Brasov.
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| 04-08-2005 13:28:16 |
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andrei
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Asa este, ManAndCat, imi amintesc si eu de scara din spatele troleibuzului ! La Brasov, am vazut TV2E, dar de TV20E nu imi amintesc. Dealtfel, eram prea mic pe atunci (sub 10 ani). Parca am vazut si ik-4 la Brasov, dar nu sint sigur.
In ceea ce priveste interiorul troleibuzelor TV, nu imi amintesc nimic (doar ca era taxatoarea in spate, pe dreapta cum intri).
Inca o chestie : sint nebun si dupa pisici, am avut vre-o 20 de cand eram copil pana acum. Asta o mai linisteste pe nevasta mea, care se ingrijorase ca fac monomanie cu autobuzele.
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| 06-08-2005 00:45:37 |
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andrei
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Asa este, ManAndCat, imi amintesc si eu de scara din spatele troleibuzului ! La Brasov, am vazut TV2E, dar de TV20E nu imi amintesc. Dealtfel, eram prea mic pe atunci (sub 10 ani). Parca am vazut si ik-4 la Brasov, dar nu sint sigur.
In ceea ce priveste interiorul troleibuzelor TV, nu imi amintesc nimic (doar ca era taxatoarea in spate, pe dreapta cum intri).
Inca o chestie : sint nebun si dupa pisici, am avut vre-o 20 de cand eram copil pana acum. Asta o mai linisteste pe nevasta mea, care se ingrijorase ca fac monomanie cu autobuzele.
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| 06-08-2005 00:46:24 |
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ha
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Iata ca vorbeam eu despre mersul mijloacelor de transport in comun, despre faptul cum este organizat in Ungaria, dar iata ca si in Bucuresti a existat candva exact aceleasi sistem (daca nu ma insel!). http://www.ratb.ro/showpic.php?cat=2&id=25 Se vede doua tabele, cred ca in prima coloan se afle statiile si in a doua distanta intre minute. Asa-i?
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| 23-08-2005 09:34:34 |
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ManAndCat
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Si foile de parcurs (de fapt erau niste cartoane) aratau letfel inainte. Aveau orele de oprire in fiecare statie.
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| 23-08-2005 11:12:35 |
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bercenicity
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mai degraba in prima coloana statiile pt 14 in cealalta statiile pt 24
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| 23-08-2005 13:45:45 |
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ha
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Exact, dar dupa statii este ceva scris, banuiesc timpul intre statii, nu?
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| 23-08-2005 15:20:16 |
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bercenicity
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sau cate minute pana la statia respectiva (fie dela capat de linie, fie de la statie curenta)
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| 23-08-2005 15:36:50 |
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ha
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Ma rog, dar oricum erai informat, si nu trebuiau sateliti, retele de telefoane mobile pentru GPRS etc... Chestii simple si functionale. Acum daca se respecta mersul nu stiu, dar totusi nu cred ca a fost afisat doar de dragul nevestei.
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| 23-08-2005 18:25:27 |
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Dan Jiga
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Fratilor sunt baftos
Sunt nascut in 1978 si am avut norocul sa fiu clujean la origine si bunicii mei sa fie la cluj chiar dupa ce ne-am mutat la Oradea.
Desi ii la limita "off-topic"-ului, va spun cum si pe ce trasee (in Cluj) am umblat cu TV20E si IK4.
TV20E: Inainte de renumerotarea din 1987 a liniilor in Cluj, troleibuzele spre Marasti nu au mers de prin 1983 pana prin 1986 pe Bd. Lenin (actualul 21 Decembrie) unde statea bunica mea materna, ci pe str. Budai Nagy Antal (actuala Dorobantilor). Dar erau doua linii care totusi mergeau de la regionala inca o statie pana la biserica Sf.Petru (acolo era si depoul vechi de troleibuze): 2 (gara - Biserica Sf.Petru) si 26barat (cart. Manastur - Biserica Sf.Petru - 26-le e actualul 6). De regula avceste linii erau "cimitirul" troleibuzelor clujene. Ce era mai vechi era pus pe ele. Asa ca pana in toamna lui 1984 pe linia lui 2 erau TV20E-uri  . Apoi pana in 1986 si 2-ul si 6-le barat au avut ultimele troleibuze ROMAN din Cluj...
Un TV20E a fost pastrat langa substatia de tractiune din P-ta. M. Viteazul (trebuia tractat ca erau 50m pana la fire) pana prin 1990 ca atelier
IK4: Bunicii paterni locuiau in cart. Grigorescu si acolo baza liniilor erau pana prin 1987-1988 IK4-le, cu exceptia 5-lui (actualul 26 care merge in Muncii), erau 11-le (actualul 27), 21 (actualul 30), 28 (a ramas la fel) si 41-le (cred ca si asta e la fel) cu o multime de IK4. Intodeauna mi-a placut ce cochete erau inauntru cu barele lor albe si scaunele de melaminat...
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| 08-09-2005 13:36:22 |
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ManAndCat
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Esti baftos pentru ca iti amintesti de ele.
Eu nu mai stiu decat de TV2E si doar din afara, interiorul nu mi-l amintesc deloc. Stiu ca le numeam "troleibuze cu scara", din cauza scarii din spate.
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| 08-09-2005 14:50:59 |
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